. >> russians, the soviets from dennis rodman. if we could just harness the power of this one penny, john heilemann, it would be efficient government. this is a dreadful penny to cut. and why we would cut -- with all the wasteful government spending, why we would cut this one penny, i don't get it. >> why can't they get together and make real cuts? the republicans are trying to make the president do it now. why don't they do it together? they know they have to. that's the only way. does anyone want to answer? >> yeah, i do. >> okay. >> if this one penny that they're going to cut out of a dollar is so dreadful, why wouldn't the president say -- because i'd do it. yeah, let me make the cuts. give it to me. i'll cut the one penny. but the president balked on it. >> well -- >> everybody is punting on this. >> i know, but if you believe, like the president believes, that this one penny out of a dollar, this $44 billion out of $3.6 trillion that's going to be cut from the budget is going to destroy national defense, is going to endanger